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		<title>By: Pitfall: Using the wrong metrics (or none at all) : Webster &#38; Associates LLC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pitfall: Using the wrong metrics (or none at all) : Webster &#38; Associates LLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bfwebster</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry:

Thanks for the observations and even more for the kind words. And your observations, as usual[*], are dead-on.

One of the most important things I&#039;ve learned from your writings -- starting with my original copy of &lt;b&gt;The Psychology of Computer Programming&lt;/b&gt;, which I bought in the late 1970s as a recently minted CS graduate -- is the profoundly &lt;i&gt;human&lt;/i&gt; nature of software engineering and IT project management. Organizations keep trying to treat it like a manufacturing or chemical engineering process; I think it&#039;s more like &lt;a href=&quot;http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/14/the-longest-yard-reorganizing-it-for-success/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a sports team&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.byte.com/art/9601/sec15/art1.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an orchestra&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, and I hope you don&#039;t mind the &quot;Weinberg&#039;s Law of Metrics&quot; that I coined for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baselinemag.com/c/a/IT-Management/Lies-Damned-Lies-and-Project-Metrics-Part-1/1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my column&lt;/a&gt; and re-used in the posting above. :-) ..bruce..

[*] Except, of course, when &lt;a href=&quot;http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/15/the-wetware-crisis-the-themocline-of-truth/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I choose to disagree or pick a fight with you&lt;/a&gt;. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry:</p>
<p>Thanks for the observations and even more for the kind words. And your observations, as usual[*], are dead-on.</p>
<p>One of the most important things I&#8217;ve learned from your writings &#8212; starting with my original copy of <b>The Psychology of Computer Programming</b>, which I bought in the late 1970s as a recently minted CS graduate &#8212; is the profoundly <i>human</i> nature of software engineering and IT project management. Organizations keep trying to treat it like a manufacturing or chemical engineering process; I think it&#8217;s more like <a href="http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/14/the-longest-yard-reorganizing-it-for-success/" rel="nofollow">a sports team</a> or <a href="http://www.byte.com/art/9601/sec15/art1.htm" rel="nofollow">an orchestra</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, and I hope you don&#8217;t mind the &#8220;Weinberg&#8217;s Law of Metrics&#8221; that I coined for <a href="http://www.baselinemag.com/c/a/IT-Management/Lies-Damned-Lies-and-Project-Metrics-Part-1/1/" rel="nofollow">my column</a> and re-used in the posting above. <img src='http://brucefwebster.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ..bruce..</p>
<p>[*] Except, of course, when <a href="http://brucefwebster.com/2008/04/15/the-wetware-crisis-the-themocline-of-truth/#comments" rel="nofollow">I choose to disagree or pick a fight with you</a>. <img src='http://brucefwebster.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gerald M. Weinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald M. Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce, this is a super answer, and not just to this specific question, but to an enormous number of similar questions I receive almost every week (and I&#039;m sure you do, too).

I would add one question to your questioner, up front. It&#039;s implicit in your answer, but I like to ask it explicitly:

Suppose you had this measurement, what do you intend to do with it?

Frequently, I get answers that amount to:

- If I had this measurement, I&#039;d know which testers to punish. (or reward, which amounts to the same thing, since the unrewarded testers will feel punished.)

I don&#039;t bother to answer these people.

Most of the other answers amount to:

- If I had this measurement, I&#039;d know how to improve testing.

To these people, I can usually look at what they&#039;re doing now (eyeball measurement) and give them at least half-a-dozen suggestions that will improve their testing noticeably before they start looking for 1% improvements.

Gerald M. Weinberg
http://www.geraldmweinberg.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, this is a super answer, and not just to this specific question, but to an enormous number of similar questions I receive almost every week (and I&#8217;m sure you do, too).</p>
<p>I would add one question to your questioner, up front. It&#8217;s implicit in your answer, but I like to ask it explicitly:</p>
<p>Suppose you had this measurement, what do you intend to do with it?</p>
<p>Frequently, I get answers that amount to:</p>
<p>- If I had this measurement, I&#8217;d know which testers to punish. (or reward, which amounts to the same thing, since the unrewarded testers will feel punished.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t bother to answer these people.</p>
<p>Most of the other answers amount to:</p>
<p>- If I had this measurement, I&#8217;d know how to improve testing.</p>
<p>To these people, I can usually look at what they&#8217;re doing now (eyeball measurement) and give them at least half-a-dozen suggestions that will improve their testing noticeably before they start looking for 1% improvements.</p>
<p>Gerald M. Weinberg<br />
<a href="http://www.geraldmweinberg.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.geraldmweinberg.com</a></p>
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